tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post4008880312821849881..comments2024-03-22T06:31:42.929-05:00Comments on Wry Thoughts About Religion: Myth and MysteryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-77742549027727401462019-11-22T11:19:33.743-06:002019-11-22T11:19:33.743-06:00Hi Elizabeth,
I would say that belief in resurrect...Hi Elizabeth,<br />I would say that belief in resurrection "created" Christianity, and Christianity created the New Testament.<br />I don't think I can answer "whose belief." You are asking about a point of origin and I suspect there were several. In the Gospels the disciples are given credit for believing in the resurrection. I don't know of any critical scholar who has argued that the resurrection accounts were inserted into the gospels later.<br />It sounds like your son's football team had a great season!<br />Cordially,<br />Charlie Charles Hedrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285420936166236724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-47454446224599384552019-11-21T19:05:49.436-06:002019-11-21T19:05:49.436-06:00Charlie, do you have any thoughts with regard to G...Charlie, do you have any thoughts with regard to Gene's observation that belief in Jesus's resurrection created the NT? I tend to agree with him on that- but my question is this: Who's belief? (publicly stated belief) Was it Paul's publicly stated belief or the disciples? Is there any proof that the disciples believed in Jesus's resurrection? (when I say "believe," I mean a written/recorded/documented declaration, not private thoughts) The resurrection accounts in the gospels were inserted after Paul's letters were written- right?<br /><br />My son's football team is playing in semi-finals Saturday in Raymore-Peculiar, MO.... They are paling against "Ray-Pec" if i'm not mistaken... Should they win, their team will play against Joplin at Mizzou on Thanksgiving weekend... All that to say, we'll be in your neck of the woods! (I don't think I've ever been to Peculiar before.) Hope it isn't too terribly cold!! ElizabethElizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407263133805266418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-35481359791303734752019-11-16T07:04:05.502-06:002019-11-16T07:04:05.502-06:00Good Morning Elizabeth,
1.I think I listed all the...Good Morning Elizabeth,<br />1.I think I listed all the uses of the word "mystery" in the NT. And you are correct that the largest number appear in Paul's writings.<br />2. I am working from memory here (my books are still in boxes).It is a complicated issue. The "quotes" from Hebrew Bible in the NT do not always correspond to what we know in Hebrew. In some cases the NT writers seem to be citing a "testimony list." . See my "Vestiges of an Ancient Codex Containing a Psalms Testimonia and a Gospel Homily," Journal of Coptic Studies 8 (2006)1-41,plates 2-3.In many cases the divergence is quite large.<br />3. I have never heard that expression. But there is never a single truth; there are many "truths." Just ask a catholic and a Baptist: What is the truth about baptism? You will get at least two answers. Or talk to a member of the Flat Earth Society (check it out on the internet) if the earth is spherical or flat. Each of us holds our truth as the Truth, it seems.<br />Cordially,<br />CharlieCharles Hedrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285420936166236724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-45222839330371251322019-11-15T14:04:03.613-06:002019-11-15T14:04:03.613-06:00Hi Charlie,
My view is that belief in Jesus' ...Hi Charlie,<br /><br />My view is that belief in Jesus' resurrection created the NT. The foundation of the belief was experiential. The resurrection, of course, in reflection is both myth and mystery. As far as I know, traits like arrogance, anxiety, aggressiveness, intolerance, lack of curiosity, and a disinterest in critical thinking are not tied to transformational experience. <br /><br />The only reason I can think of for identifying those traits is the assertion that the writers were very insecure folks who participated in a held in common delusion? Is their evidence for that in the NT? I guess one could read back into it from a distance.<br /><br />Gene Stecher<br />Chambersburg, Pa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-73625530660239138172019-11-14T19:25:22.434-06:002019-11-14T19:25:22.434-06:00Hi Charlie, Just a couple of follow-ups if you don...Hi Charlie, Just a couple of follow-ups if you don't mind.... I must admit, I never noticed before how often Paul uses the word mystery. I read the scriptures you provided and has some questions.<br /><br />1) I can't think of another NT writer who uses the word mystery as often as Paul- can you?<br /><br />2) Do you have an opinion of the way Paul quotes the Tanach? (the "old testament") In other words, do you think his use of passages from Tanach are accurate and in proper context? Have you ever done a comparison between his documentation and the original scripture itself as recorded in our OT? I don't think most Christians know or care how many errors he made or the deliberate omission of words that occurred in order support the narrative he was dictating.<br /><br />3) Have you ever heard a Christian leader say that Truth is a mystery that has to be unraveled like a puzzle? "Search out the truth..." Isn't the truth obvious to everyone? (I know that is a broad question) Is it important to believe the truth or to perceive the truth?<br /><br />Many thanks as always, ElizabethElizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407263133805266418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-9001025807983697452019-11-10T13:44:46.996-06:002019-11-10T13:44:46.996-06:00Good afternoon Elizabeth,
1. I don't even know...Good afternoon Elizabeth,<br />1. I don't even know if there is a Hebrew word for mystery. And will not know until I can get my books unpacked. So I will have to defer this question.<br />2.In describing Paul I would use only the undisputed letters. They are Romans, 1, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1 Thessalonians, Philippians, Philemon.<br />3 The tradition that Paul was a student of Gamaliel is only found in Acts 22:3, which was not written by Paul. And there is no confirmation of the tradition, In my view Acts is a late first century text. Acts 22:6-11 is one of three accounts of Paul's conversion in Acts. All three are impossible to harmonize. And I have come to think of all of Acts 22 as imagined and created by the Author of Acts. Hence the answer to your question I find impossible know.<br />4. The examples are given and discussed in the full published essay. The texts are: Romans 9:1-5, 11:25-26; 1 Corinthians 15:50-52; Ephesians 1:9-10; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 1 Timothy 3:16.<br />5. The earliest followers of Jesus and the earliest orthodox Christians were not gnostic, although Paul uses gnostic language here and there in his letters. Some have argued that early Christians were a mystery religions cult, and again Paul also uses the language of the mystery religions here and there in his letters. But if anything the "secret" in early Christianity was a public secret.<br />Cordially,<br />Charlie Charles Hedrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285420936166236724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-50736653620924172972019-11-08T09:27:51.742-06:002019-11-08T09:27:51.742-06:00Hi Dennis,
I agree. There is a difference between ...Hi Dennis,<br />I agree. There is a difference between the image of the author that comes across in a reading of the document and the actual author that put the text together in the way it appears. Hence one must be very certain about the data on which the profile is made--and even then, as you point out, there is clearly an uncertainty about profiling.<br />Cordially,<br />CharlieCharles Hedrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285420936166236724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-79231293421039725542019-11-07T19:13:20.953-06:002019-11-07T19:13:20.953-06:00Good Evening Charlie,
1) You mentioned the use of...Good Evening Charlie,<br /><br />1) You mentioned the use of the word mystery in the NT... Does it appear very often in the OT? If not, why do you think the NT writers emphasized the "mystery" of God more than their OT counterparts?<br /><br />2) When it comes to profiling Paul- what other documents would one use other than the NT manuscripts? Is there any other historical evidence of his existence? <br /><br />3) Was Paul really a student of Gamliel?<br /><br />4) What did you mean by saying that early followers of Jesus confessed to a type of cognitive dissonance? Can you give an example?<br /><br />5) Is the use of the term "mystery" in the NT proof that early followers of Jesus were gnostic? It seems like there is a tension between keeping the Gospel and teachings of Jesus "secret" and proclaiming them from the proverbial rooftop... The Great Commission in Matthew 28.... Which is it? Secret or public? <br /><br />Many thanks and hope you are getting more and more settled each and every day, ElizabethElizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407263133805266418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2828101829504518203.post-87685844481113508702019-11-07T18:40:55.098-06:002019-11-07T18:40:55.098-06:00In the 18th century, scholars had little that was ...In the 18th century, scholars had little that was known about Shakespeare the person, so they worked through his plays, poetry and correspondence to profile him. There were around half a dozen problems with that approach. The interest in his life was understandable. Shakespeare in 18th century England had almost become a deity, with one fellow (David Garrick) building a temple for him on his estate and creating a “Jubilee” at Stratford-on-Avon in 1769, which didn’t come off well in the rain but started a “pilgrimage” (read “tourist”) industry there. One problem I see with creating a profile of an author of a New Testament writing is one which Samuel Johnson noted about Shakespeare profiles of his day. There is a difference in one’s “authorial” identity and one’s “personal” identity. How does one go about distinguishing this in New Testament writers? Or is it just concerned with the author’s theological profile? <br />Dennis Dean Carpenter<br />Dahlonega, Ga.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com